Fairly Women Make Graves got here collectively in 2001 like a Frankenstein’s monster constructed from items of among the Pacific Northwest’s most influential experimental hardcore bands, together with Space 51, Demise Want Youngsters, Killsadie, Sharks Maintain Shifting, and the Homicide Metropolis Devils.
Their critically acclaimed debut full-length, Good Well being, was a conglomeration of these previous lives. Opening monitor “Audio system Push the Air” is a high-octane, assured celebration of the facility of music à la Operation Ivy’s “Sound System.” On tracks like “Extra Candy Soul,” “Unhappy Women Por Vida,” and “By the Throat,” the band leans into their heavier tendencies. Wiry, sharp guitars pierce by throbbing bass and incisive drumming whereas Andrea Zollo’s sing-scream vocals tear by the audio system to shout down any motherfucker who dared cross her.
Although Good Well being was celebrated by followers and critics, the band slipped out from beneath any try to get pinned down on their follow-ups, The New Romance (2004) and Élan Important (2006). Did you assume they have been early-aughts emo? Shock—now they’re enjoying ghostly post-rock that burns slower than the nag champa incense you acquire at Scorching Matter. All of the whereas, their dwell exhibits turned a factor of legend, concurrently chaotic and charming affairs that always devolved into pits—nay, complete rooms of moshing, dancing, singing, and screaming.
In 2007, lower than a yr after the discharge of Élan Important, the band broke up. Drummer Nick Dewitt introduced he was leaving, and Fairly Women Make Graves packed it in after one final tour that summer time.
However Fairly Women’ legacy has flourished, because of Spotify playlists, music blogs’ nostalgia-driven best-of lists, and followers’ wishful pondering. Stereogum’s Tom Breihan revisited Good Well being 20 years after its launch: “On Good Well being, pressure and launch are one and the identical,” he wrote. “The album burns itself out in 28 delirious minutes, and it’s sufficient to go away you breathless and stirred.” Brooklyn Vegan listed Good Well being as one of many “Greatest Emo & Submit-Hardcore Albums of 2002,” and The New Romance earned a spot on Pitchfork’s “The 50 Greatest Indie Rock Albums of the Pacific Northwest.” (How fashionable music criticism has devolved into area of interest lists recycling decades-old data is a narrative for one more time.)
Even so, as Fairly Women’ friends gave in to followers’ cravings for nostalgia—Jawbreaker, Blur, Le Tigre, and Botch have all returned to the stage—it felt like Fairly Women Make Graves followers have been resigned to be without end disillusioned. Heartbroken. Emo. In response to somebody asking, “What’s the saddest reality about life?” famend tradition critic Hanif Abduraquib Tweeted in October 2023, “after 16 years I’ve lastly come to just accept the truth that fairly ladies make graves are by no means reuniting.”
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— Hanif Abdurraqib (@NifMuhammad) October 3, 2023
For me, it began feeling private, too. It’s been a operating joke in my circle of buddies that I might gleefully leap in entrance of a transferring automotive (like, a Prius, nothing loopy) if it’d end in PGMG pulling a Make-a-Want and reuniting to assist increase funds for my hospital payments.
Then it occurred. Final November, the band introduced they’d be reuniting to play The New Romance in full on the When We Had been Younger Fest in Las Vegas in October 2024. They’ve since confirmed extra dates in New York, Los Angeles, and Portland, however, rightfully, Seattle will get them first. Fairly Women Make Graves will play their first exhibits in 17 years on September 21 and 22 on the Showbox.
To mark what looks like nothing wanting a miracle, I interviewed all the present members of the band (minus bassist Derek Fudesco, who doesn’t do interviews), in addition to a few of their colleagues, buddies, and followers. To piece collectively their story for a brand new viewers, sure, but in addition to attempt to make sense of their magic.
It’s essentially the most acceptable means I may assume to commemorate the return of a band whose music has seeped by my pores and skin and into the marrow of my bones. The primary 17 seconds of “Audio system Push the Air” are woven into my DNA. I nearly can’t imagine that is actual.
Fairly Women Make Graves are again. Fairly Women Make Graves por vida. And I didn’t even need to run into visitors.
It Began in Our Basement
Really, it began in a punk home. Earlier than Fairly Women Make Graves, all of the bandmates—initially Andrea Zollo (vocals), Derek Fudesco (bass), J. Clark (guitar), Nathan Thelen (guitar), and Nick Dewitt (drums)—have been teenagers in varied experimental hardcore and rock bands.
It was the ’90s in Seattle, and due to a really energetic Teen Dance Ordinance, all-ages exhibits have been exhausting to return by, so that they performed the place they might—basements, garages, outdated theaters run by volunteers. These earlier tasks have been the playgrounds on which Fairly Women discovered their voices and inspired each other to discover the deepest, weirdest nooks of their creativity… which, apparently, generally included ankle-biting.
SPENCER MOODY (Space 51, Homicide Metropolis Devils): After we began Space 51, we have been like, “We’re beginning a punk band. A punk punk band.” We have been consciously making an attempt to do one thing between Born Towards and Filth. We have been all from the Eastside, so me and Dann [Gallucci] and Andrea all knew one another from most likely across the age 15 or 16. When Dann and Andrea met, Dann was afraid of Andrea. Andrea was like a Rizzo type of character in her highschool. She was, like, a ruffian with a bottle of Jack Daniels in her locker.
ANDREA ZOLLO: I used to be fairly scrappy, however we have been all fairly scrappy. I really feel like, at the moment, we have been type of like a Dangerous Information Bears crew and felt very unified. We have been 18, 19, perhaps 20 years outdated. All of us lived at a punk home collectively that was known as the Goat Home. There have been, like, 13 of us who lived there… in a home that didn’t have 13 rooms. However we did have a basement, and so they placed on exhibits each weekend. Andy Sells—he really performed the drums on the Space 51 recording and isn’t credited—and Tonie Palmasani additionally lived there, and so they had been doing exhibits. That was a recreation changer to maneuver right into a home like that at that age.
SPENCER MOODY: We by no means had a monitor, and oftentimes we’d present as much as play, and there would solely be one microphone. So Andrea would get the microphone and I might actually simply yell. That was most likely essentially the most influential a part of it—on me—was studying to make use of my voice on this actually bizarre type of backwards means. All that mattered was making an attempt to have as a lot quantity as potential after which slowly, over time, making an attempt to reverse-engineer that into really singing.
ANDREA ZOLLO: We simply wished to burn all of it down [laughs], however take ourselves with it. We simply didn’t care. Spencer was equally, if no more, terrifying. Folks have talked about seeing Space 51 on the time and being like, “I bear in mind Spencer was crawling round on his arms and knees and simply biting everybody within the crowd on the ankle!”
SPENCER MOODY: I might at all times find yourself being on the ground, after which the room would filter out and I’d simply be laying there. [Laughs]
ANDREA ZOLLO: Space 51 really obtained banned from enjoying the Velvet Elvis as a result of we destroyed some stage set. The venue additionally did performs outdoors of internet hosting all ages exhibits, and through one in every of our units, we unintentionally destroyed one thing that needed to do with one of many props. Meg Watjen was like “Sorry, guys, however we’ve got to ban you. You can not play right here.”
SPENCER MOODY: I feel all of us exceeded our expectations. Trying again, I want I had seen the potential. We put out a seven-inch, we toured the West Coast. It was like: What else is there? We obtained reviewed in Most Rocknroll. I don’t bear in mind what it stated.
I stop pretty shortly, however I feel we actually achieved what we have been making an attempt to do, most likely extra so than any undertaking I had been part of. I stop, and [Andrea, Derek, and Dann] principally continued with out me as Demise Want Youngsters.
ANDREA ZOLLO: These bands have been shorter-lived, however they didn’t really feel short-lived on the time. They felt very impactful. Each of these bands really feel very stretched out, like they have been a protracted interval of my life. [Pretty Girls Make Graves started because] Derek and I wished to play in a band collectively once more. Outdoors of Space 51 and Demise Want Youngsters, we have been additionally in a band known as the Hookers that I performed drums in. That was across the identical time as Demise Want Youngsters, however a very totally different type of music. Some early Homicide Metropolis Devils songs are literally Hookers’ songs. “Damaged Glass” was a Hookers music. [Laughs]
Issues have been getting tough in Homicide Metropolis Devils. It was getting actually powerful for them for a bazillion causes.
SPENCER MOODY: There was a bone of competition on the time, however that handed. It was by no means private, it was by no means a friendship rift. It was extra of an inventive rift. Actually, after the preliminary success of Homicide Metropolis Devils, there was simply a lot basic conceitedness and disrespect. It made sense that Derek would wish to transfer on to one thing totally different, and it made sense that Andrea could be a part of that.
ANDREA ZOLLO: On the first [Pretty Girls Make Graves] apply, it was me, Derek, Nathan, and Nick. J. may’ve come to the second apply. We wrote an entire bunch of songs collectively earlier than we began making an attempt to determine which means we’d find yourself going. Generally I ponder if we’ll ever discover these recordings. The very first music we ever wrote was “Liquid Braveness,” which did make it onto the EP!
NICK DEWITT: My solely actual objective on the time was to play in a enjoyable band, ideally one that will match properly into the Contact and Go catalog. I bear in mind actually admiring, and doubtless imitating, Mario Rubalcaba from Clikatat Ikatowi and pondering the drums may very well be a lot greater than a timekeeper.
J. CLARK: Our type of writing at first was very a lot simply get within the room and play, play, play, play, play and see what comes out. After we completed recording that first EP, we didn’t actually know, or no less than I didn’t totally know, what it was gonna sound like. We have been attending to know one another. We have been all coming from totally different kinds of enjoying and determining how that every one match collectively.
Every part for us was hyper-accelerated as a result of when Derek will get decided, he’s excellent at making stuff occur. Our first or second present was opening up for Fugazi. That’s superb, proper?
ANDREA ZOLLO: Mike Ott did a report label known as Sound Virus, which put out each Space 51 and the Demise Want Youngsters. He was who really put out the primary PGMG EP. Sound Virus didn’t do CDs. That’s the place Steve Aoki got here in and requested if he may launch the CD model on [his record label] Dim Mak.
J. CLARK: Steve put out Killsadie’s first full-length on Dim Mak, so we return even earlier than Fairly Women Make Graves.
STEVE AOKI (Founding father of Dim Mak Data, cake-throwing EDM famous person): J. and Killsadie are the explanations I came upon about Fairly Women Make Graves. We turned such shut buddies that I devoted all my free time to doing no matter potential to advertise them. Not simply because they have been the most effective band I had heard, however as a result of they have been all such good folks. Heat-hearted, extremely dedicated to their craft, and cared deeply about their friendships. In the long run, it’s as a result of they gave me an opportunity. A bit of child with massive goals who had no connections or weight within the business in any respect. It was a very lovely time, to be sincere. Sweaty, pungent, and stuffed with ardour.
ANDREA ZOLLO: We performed with Steve’s bands again in early, early, early Fairly Women days. Possibly even our first tour. We simply knew Steve as this punk we performed with, who was at all times an superior dude, however his dad, Rocky Aoki, began Benihana. When Steve went on tour with us as soon as in Europe, he would take us to Benihanas round England as a result of we may eat totally free. It was wild to have folks within the kitchen peek out and wish to see Steve as a result of he was Rocky’s son.
STEVE AOKI: I used to be there hawking T-shirts and promoting the Dim Mak EP that truthfully modified my life. I don’t bear in mind the precise quantity, however I feel it was no less than 10,000 CDs offered. Thoughts you, I began Dim Mak with no distribution, strictly promoting from my backpack of vinyl to followers coming to exhibits after which to small distribution networks. It will be a hit if we offered out of 1,000 copies. This was the true begin of being pressured into changing into a enterprise.
[Working with Pretty Girls Make Graves] taught me about how you can comply with my coronary heart and friendships into the unknown with ardour as my strongest swimsuit out of the playing cards I used to be dealt. Derek and I later fashioned our personal label known as Chilly Crush and launched a couple of data, and that was additionally enjoyable and out of our bond and friendship. I feel again to these days with the band, and it brings a lump in my throat, eager about the beautiful recollections of pure friendship and belief with no motives and positive aspects.
One thing Greater, One thing Brighter
When it got here time for Fairly Women Make Graves to launch their debut full-length, Good Well being, most people within the know assumed the band would signal to Sub Pop. By that time, Derek’s former band Homicide Metropolis Devils had launched two full-lengths and an EP with the well-known label, and Fairly Women launched their music “Extra Candy Soul” by Sub Pop’s Singles Membership.
However that’s not what occurred. And the rumors have been flying. Former Stranger music critic Kathleen Wilson reported in her column, It’s My Celebration (“Promotions & Departures,” February 14, 2002): “The Cha Cha was just lately abuzz with chatter a few rumored authorized conflict quickly to be waged between the previous Homicide Metropolis Devils and Sub Pop. Particulars are sketchy, however it appears that evidently Sub Pop feels the band nonetheless owes cash following its breakup. Others say that the label is retaliating over its failure to acquire (with its ‘leaving member clause’) Fairly Women Make Graves, and is now making an attempt to cost MCD for mechanical royalties, although the band nonetheless sells practically 100 CDs per week.”
Bay Space punk label Lookout! Data launched Good Well being on April 8, 2002.
ANDREA ZOLLO: Issues obtained a bit of squirrelly. Sub Pop made us a proposal, however Lookout!’s was higher.
J. CLARK: I feel Derek simply wished to attempt one thing totally different. To not say he had something dangerous with Sub Pop, however the entire band, for all of us, was about making an attempt one thing totally different.
NICK DEWITT: I recall selecting Lookout! as a result of we preferred them as folks straight away, not company in any respect. Additionally, we actually beloved that Ted Leo and the Pharmacists report The Tyranny of Distance. I lived with J. on the time, and that report was on repeat for a pair months.
ANDREA ZOLLO: Earlier than Derek moved to Seattle, he was residing within the Bay Space. That was the music scene he hung round and crossed over into, round 924 Gilman Road. Our very first Fairly Women tour was opening for Bratmobile, and, at the moment, [Bratmobile’s drummer] Molly Neuman was one of many homeowners of Lookout!. It was really Bratmobile and De Facto, which was Cedric [Bixler-Zavala] and Omar [Rodríguez-López] of On the Drive-In’s dub band.
I grew up listening to and being very, very influenced as a teen by what was occurring in Olympia and all the riot grrrl scene, so the truth that we obtained to play with Bratmobile was not wasted on me as a twenty-something. I used to be excited each evening. It was after that tour that Molly was like “Hey, let’s put one thing out!”
SPENCER MOODY: I bear in mind telling Megan Jasper at Sub Pop, “Possibly Fairly Women will get tremendous large, and that can carry consideration to the Homicide Metropolis Devils’ again catalog. Possibly we will simply experience on their coattails [laughs].”
PHIL EK (Producer): I preferred the truth that they have been managed chaos with a very, actually tremendous sturdy and tight rhythm part and energy-forward and thrilling pop-melodic type of punk vocals. It was a very cool mix of loads of issues that had occurred, have been present, and felt forward-reaching.
Home after the discharge of Good Well being. MEGAN SELING
LAURA JANE GRACE (Towards Me!, Laura Jane Grace & the Mississippi Medicals): I bear in mind the primary time I heard Fairly Women Make Graves very vividly. It’s like a second in time for me. They performed in Gainesville, Florida, at Market Road Pub, and I feel it was the very first Fest in 2002. They performed with Har Mar Famous person, and I had performed some random home exhibits through the years with Har Mar, so I used to be there for that. I had no concept who they have been; I had by no means heard their identify. I bear in mind Har Mar simply killing it, however then when Fairly Women Make Graves performed, it was like time fucking froze. Folks began transferring in another way. The best way the room felt—it was particularly “Audio system Push the Air,” and so they got here out weapons blazing. It was like seeing the Conflict or one thing. They have been the good fucking band I had ever seen. Every of them appeared impeccably cool too, and it sounded fucking nice. From then on, I used to be completely offered.
STEVE AOKI: Stay, they’re every very totally different personalities onstage, all daring and animated in their very own worlds, however actually related. They know one another’s actions—that’s the place this X issue lies. The best way they play their music collectively is the magic and the explanation why their exhibits are so memorable. I’ve been with them from after they performed to twenty folks in a lounge, to larger exhibits for tons of of individuals, and so they pour sweat and power into their present each time.
ANDREA ZOLLO: One present throughout our first US tour stands out simply because it was bananas. It was at Mass Arts in Boston. We have been all like “That is superb!” even whereas it was occurring as a result of the group was so wild and having a lot enjoyable and dancing. This all-female mosh crew known as Moshtrogen confirmed up. All of them had T-shirts that stated “Moshtrogen” with this nice brand, and so they began this large mosh pit. There was somebody in a grimy bunny costume. There have been all these surreal issues occurring. I used to be so pleased, I used to be so pumped—I’ll at all times bear in mind Joan from Moshtrogen.
J. CLARK: After the primary EP and Good Well being, we have been beginning to get pigeonholed into a selected type of emo/post-emo factor. Just like the On the Drive-In factor, we’d get that quite a bit. Don’t get me fallacious, we performed exhibits with these guys, and I like these guys, however that wasn’t musically the place we have been all coming from.
I used to be extra an indie rock child. Fugazi, Chavez, and Yo La Tengo have been actually large influences on me. I wished to have the ability to do one thing extra various than what I did within the hardcore scene. I wished to have the ability to specific extra than simply quick and aggressive.
PHIL EK: We spent a month on [The New Romance] at Bear Creek. No days off both, which is insane. Good Well being was every week, perhaps. I wished to make a report that felt extra studio. Their Sub Pop single, their first EP, Good Well being—these all really feel dwell. It’s actually simply them performing their songs within the studio, and that sounds superior. However I wished to attempt totally different sounds, construct textures. They usually have been stoked. Nick loves the studio. J. does tons of data now. They’re studio folks. They like these things.
NICK DEWITT: All of us love loads of music, and on the time, I used to be making loads of new discoveries. One week it’d be André Popp. Subsequent week, it’d be Amon Düül II. Naturally, that meant making an attempt out new kinds and approaches.
PHIL EK: They have been a really diplomatic band. Which is sweet! And likewise time-consuming. I’ve seen fistfights, I’ve damaged up fistfights. I’ve seen folks storm out. I’ve seen folks stop within the studio. I’ve seen crying, I’ve seen yelling. They’re one of many few bands that basically labored diplomatically properly.
LAURA JANE GRACE: I’m not gonna lie. The adjustments they made as a band from report to report challenged me. It wasn’t a rehash of the earlier report, ever. They grew actually pronouncedly from album to album. Generally that took me aback, and I wasn’t essentially positive if I preferred the place they have been going, however I used to be at all times decided to maintain listening, and I at all times obtained it will definitely, and every report turned a favourite.
Towards Me! toured quite a bit with the Blood Brothers, and so they have been bands I related to one another, coming from the Seattle scene. I appeared on the Blood Brothers and Fairly Women Make Graves as requirements of cool.
When This Is Over, It’s All Proper
In 2004, after guitarist Nathan Thelen left the band, Fairly Women Make Graves introduced in buddy and former Trace Trace keyboardist Leona Marrs. Fairly Women had at all times been a guitar-forward band—Thelen and Clark’s dueling riffs resulted in a delightfully dizzying maze of noise. Marrs had to return by Fairly Women’ catalog and write new keyboard-friendly elements. In a 2005 interview with Exclaim, Fudesco acknowledged the scope of the duty, saying, “To place that type of strain on anyone is a bit of ridiculous.”
The band additionally toured continuously—they made a number of runs throughout North America and Europe and in addition hit Australia and Mexico. When it got here time to return into the studio in 2006 to report Élan Important, all of the bandmates have been exhausted.
Élan Important nonetheless obtained rave opinions, however a weaker 6.4 rating from Pitchfork famous the band was “seeming to develop self-conscious and provides into strain to broaden its horizons.” Their makes an attempt at being diplomatic within the songwriting course of muddied the waters, solely including to the already thick pressure.
and the band’s “sixth member,” sound tech Julian Gibson. COURTESY OF ANDREA ZOLLO
J. CLARK: Because the years went on, I feel everybody’s style broadened, so we began to attempt various things. By the point we obtained to Élan Important, some folks would herald complete songs, after which we’d perhaps rework them. It was a gradual growth of individuals turning into songwriters. I imply, take a look at Derek and what he did with the Cave Singers after Fairly Women. I feel we have been simply making an attempt to problem ourselves.
ANDREA ZOLLO: I really feel like there was a aware intention with Élan Important to let everyone have a voice as a result of we by no means agree. We’re by no means on the identical web page. So if any individual wished to write down one thing in full, we allow them to do this and allow them to specific themselves. I feel that’s why that report sounds so totally different from the others. Like “The Quantity.” That’s Nick’s music; he wrote all the things on that.
LEONA MARRS: For me, it was very thrilling as a result of I’d by no means been part of a recording that had such a giant finances. [Laughs] So we may actually take our time. However we had challenges at the moment, we got here into [recording Élan Vital] not being very ready. As a result of I used to be new, I wasn’t positive what was regular.
ANDREA ZOLLO: We positively pushed ourselves too exhausting. Issues have been getting an increasing number of tense.
LEONA MARRS: For many bands, I feel, it usually finally ends up [feeling] like a dysfunctional household. You simply know one another so properly, so that you won’t at all times get alongside. I obtained together with everybody as a result of I didn’t have a lot historical past. However I feel there was some pressure, and I feel folks have been prepared to maneuver on. And I used to be too, really. I used to be positive with it.
NICK DEWITT: I wished to do my very own factor. With hindsight, I see now that I may have completed each. It was exhausting, after all. I sensed that once I left it will harm our relationship, and for a time I’m positive it did.
ANDREA ZOLLO: We have been all fairly shocked, although we shouldn’t have been. I feel it was fairly bittersweet. I don’t assume any of us wished to cease, however I feel it’s telling that we didn’t simply get a brand new drummer.
J. CLARK: I used to be bummed about it. I used to be mad at [Nick]. He wished to concentrate on his personal music, which I assumed was at all times nice and inspired him to do, however I didn’t need the band to interrupt up. I don’t assume Derek and Andrea did both, however we didn’t wish to be the band that was whittled down to 1 or two unique members, and also you don’t even acknowledge them anymore.
ANDREA ZOLLO: That band did type of implode. Everybody else moved out of Seattle fairly shortly. Derek and I have been the one individuals who stayed, and since it was type of a gnarly breakup, we didn’t all keep in contact.
Do You Keep in mind What the Music Meant?
Fairly Women Make Graves—Zollo, Fudesco, Clark, Dewitt, and Marrs—had their first reunion rehearsal in late August in Los Angeles. It was the primary time in years that the band had all been collectively in the identical room. There have been hugs and apologies, and the nerves shortly gave approach to pleasure as they began to play.
ANDREA ZOLLO: I had no concept what to anticipate. I’ve seen Leona through the years, and I’ve seen J. through the years, however all 5 of us collectively in a room on the identical time was actually surreal. I didn’t know if it will be citing outdated shit. Nevertheless it was actually nice. It made me extra excited than ever to truly play collectively.
J. CLARK: It was nerve-racking a bit of bit! Clearly, we hadn’t performed the songs shortly, and we 100% hadn’t been in the identical place shortly, however by the tip of it, it felt higher than even once we have been a band, in all honesty. We had hugs, we had moments of apologies for issues that occurred in the course of the length of the band, and it was only a good revival to start out out with.
NICK DEWITT: [There was] positively a bit of tension main as much as enjoying collectively once more. I used to be so pleased to see everybody, and we ran by a couple of songs and shocked ourselves at how good they sounded. Second run, although, was like hand in glove.
LEONA MARRS: I bear in mind Derek saying, “It’s not just like the songs are 4/4.” A few of them are very difficult, mathy. It was humorous as a result of once we have been rehearsing, in my thoughts, I used to be like “God, these songs are so quick [laughs].” I assumed I is likely to be the one one pondering that, however everybody concurred.
Everybody’s laughing at what they performed prior to now, like “Why did I play a lot? Did I want this fill right here?” Simply the most effective of the outdated occasions, it was comical and enjoyable.
ANDREA ZOLLO: It began to really feel very regular, after which that began to really feel surreal.
J. CLARK: I bear in mind leaving [rehearsal], and I stated to them, “Dude, I’m so excited that I’m gonna put in 120% now and make it possible for these exhibits are gonna be superior.” Everybody felt actually inspired by being again collectively.
ANDREA ZOLLO: [We don’t have any new music] within the works but, however we’ve actually had just one apply collectively to this point. [Laughs] However I wouldn’t rule it out, as a result of in case you had informed me a few years in the past that we’d be enjoying a reunion present, I wouldn’t have believed it. So who is aware of what can occur?
Fairly Women Make Graves play the Showbox Friday, September 20 and Saturday, September 21.
